Comments on: The candidate we all want – that no one will support http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/ suffering together for the sake of the gospel (2 Tim 1:8) Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:21:20 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Verity http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-24 Verity Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:02:55 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-24 Unfortunately, comments like "morally wrong" and "duplicity," political or otherwise, definitely point to character issues in a clearly negative way. To vilify is "to speak ill of," and how can we say that this entry does not vilify Dr. Bob Jones III? He is the only example given of "a prominent Christian conservative leader," and his political approach turns the stomach, lacks intestinal fortitude, as well as disgusts. Is this how we Christians don't speak ill of each other? Again, the point could have been made and been food for thought without choosing to single out Dr. Bob Jones III, or anyone else, especially when he has no opportunity to respond. Unfortunately, comments like “morally wrong” and “duplicity,” political or otherwise, definitely point to character issues in a clearly negative way. To vilify is “to speak ill of,” and how can we say that this entry does not vilify Dr. Bob Jones III? He is the only example given of “a prominent Christian conservative leader,” and his political approach turns the stomach, lacks intestinal fortitude, as well as disgusts. Is this how we Christians don’t speak ill of each other? Again, the point could have been made and been food for thought without choosing to single out Dr. Bob Jones III, or anyone else, especially when he has no opportunity to respond.

]]> By: Dan http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-23 Dan Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:03:12 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-23 In response to the anonymous Verity's comment, let me be clear that it is/was not my intent (nor, I believe, my result) to "villify" or "crucify the character of" anyone on this blog. I have nothing negative to say about Dr. Bob Jones III's character. I only stated that I don't understand his political stance. I agree that he probably doesn't hold a different (at least not drastically different) political view from mine; I just don't understand why he doesn't side with the candidate that best supports that view. Again, I am not questioning his character, just the message that his political association sends to those who are watching him. In response to the anonymous Verity’s comment, let me be clear that it is/was not my intent (nor, I believe, my result) to “villify” or “crucify the character of” anyone on this blog. I have nothing negative to say about Dr. Bob Jones III’s character. I only stated that I don’t understand his political stance. I agree that he probably doesn’t hold a different (at least not drastically different) political view from mine; I just don’t understand why he doesn’t side with the candidate that best supports that view. Again, I am not questioning his character, just the message that his political association sends to those who are watching him.

]]> By: Missionary Broadcasting.com » He Can’t Win http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-22 Missionary Broadcasting.com » He Can’t Win Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:04:11 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-22 [...] Dan and Karis Seely were appointed to Cameroon, Africa with Baptist Mid-Missions in 2005. After spending time with them at Candidate Seminar that year, and later while on deputation, we have grown to appreciate them very much. Today we follow their ministry via the internet. Once in a while Dan hits a home run with his blog commentaries, as he did with an October 19 entry on Mike Huckabee. [...] [...] Dan and Karis Seely were appointed to Cameroon, Africa with Baptist Mid-Missions in 2005. After spending time with them at Candidate Seminar that year, and later while on deputation, we have grown to appreciate them very much. Today we follow their ministry via the internet. Once in a while Dan hits a home run with his blog commentaries, as he did with an October 19 entry on Mike Huckabee. [...]

]]> By: Chris http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-21 Chris Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:03:42 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-21 Dan, I have been a political observer for many years, and have believed Huckabee was a star since he took over after the Jim Guy Tucker fiasco in Arkansas. He is not the perfect candidate, and I didn't agree with him that we "don't know" how long it took God to create the earth. (In fact He tells us in no uncertain terms.) However, I believe he is absolutely the best candidate we have. I will never understand the Jones endorsement of Romney, although I could hold my nose and vote for the man, but I, like you am become a fairly enthusiastic Huckabee supporter. He is truly conservative, has integrity, and is magnificent in articulating his plans. Thanks for the article. Chris Dan,

I have been a political observer for many years, and have believed Huckabee was a star since he took over after the Jim Guy Tucker fiasco in Arkansas. He is not the perfect candidate, and I didn’t agree with him that we “don’t know” how long it took God to create the earth. (In fact He tells us in no uncertain terms.) However, I believe he is absolutely the best candidate we have. I will never understand the Jones endorsement of Romney, although I could hold my nose and vote for the man, but I, like you am become a fairly enthusiastic Huckabee supporter. He is truly conservative, has integrity, and is magnificent in articulating his plans. Thanks for the article.

Chris

]]> By: Verity http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-20 Verity Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:29:58 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-20 Must we crucify the character of a fellow-believer who holds to a different political approach (not even a different political view) from our own, especially when he (Dr. Bob Jones III) is conveniently unable to defend himself to your captive audience? Fine, make a point for supporting your candidate, but don't go beyond that to vilify a brother in Christ--how is that behaving any differently from the world? Must we crucify the character of a fellow-believer who holds to a different political approach (not even a different political view) from our own, especially when he (Dr. Bob Jones III) is conveniently unable to defend himself to your captive audience? Fine, make a point for supporting your candidate, but don’t go beyond that to vilify a brother in Christ–how is that behaving any differently from the world?

]]> By: Odale http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-14 Odale Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:01:57 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-14 Funny cuz I came back to say what Peg said...so what about numbers if God is on our side?!? In some of the articles at http://www.barna.org/ (they do research on religious trends) it's indicative that a factor in what's wrong in churches... they're looking at numbers more than souls... Again, Dan, thanks for such a well written and honest post! God Bless and Keep You. Funny cuz I came back to say what Peg said…so what about numbers if God is on our side?!? In some of the articles at http://www.barna.org/ (they do research on religious trends) it’s indicative that a factor in what’s wrong in churches… they’re looking at numbers more than souls… Again, Dan, thanks for such a well written and honest post! God Bless and Keep You.

]]> By: Christianity and Presidential Politics « Getting Started http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-13 Christianity and Presidential Politics « Getting Started Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:33:32 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-13 [...] this by way of a long preamble to my latest blogsurfing find.  Join me in enjoying this read:  The Candidate We All Want - That No One Will Support.  Excellent [...] [...] this by way of a long preamble to my latest blogsurfing find.  Join me in enjoying this read:  The Candidate We All Want – That No One Will Support.  Excellent [...]

]]> By: Peg http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-12 Peg Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:47:28 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-12 Just blog-surfing through and found your post... excellent!! I totally agree, I think Huckabee would be an excellent candidate. And you're right (speaking as a sometime small-town local politician myself) the "conservative evangelical Christian" movement has a Republican-party-line-no-matter-what approach to politics and as a result has become little more than a pawn of the party. Probably because most folks don't feel they have the time or energy (or interest) to dig into the issues for themselves. I think a more honest, scripturally-based approach to politics would have us asking for candidates who (for example) protect the environment as strongly as they protect the right to life (which is really just two sides of the same coin). Your liberal athiest blogging friend has a very good point. We Christians (whether conservative or evangelical or not) need to be about God's agenda first and not be worried about the numbers who oppose us (how many times did God get on the Israelites for counting the opposition instead of counting on Him?) Thanks for a great post! Just blog-surfing through and found your post… excellent!! I totally agree, I think Huckabee would be an excellent candidate. And you’re right (speaking as a sometime small-town local politician myself) the “conservative evangelical Christian” movement has a Republican-party-line-no-matter-what approach to politics and as a result has become little more than a pawn of the party. Probably because most folks don’t feel they have the time or energy (or interest) to dig into the issues for themselves. I think a more honest, scripturally-based approach to politics would have us asking for candidates who (for example) protect the environment as strongly as they protect the right to life (which is really just two sides of the same coin).

Your liberal athiest blogging friend has a very good point. We Christians (whether conservative or evangelical or not) need to be about God’s agenda first and not be worried about the numbers who oppose us (how many times did God get on the Israelites for counting the opposition instead of counting on Him?)

Thanks for a great post!

]]> By: Odale http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-11 Odale Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:30:42 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-11 Hi, Dan! I'm not sure if it's matter of not understanding or if there is so much razzle-dazzle that issues becomes convoluted and hard to follow. We certainly don't need anyone else in the public arena (political or otherwise) who will give Christianity another black eye...it's to the point that we almost have to add, "...but I'm sincere!", when we say we're Christians. Excellent post and I will follow Mike Huckabee more closely... I don't know that Obama has come right out and admitted he is a Muslim, but wouldn't that be the ultimate ironic insult at this point in history...? I am to a point that someone's feelings are going to get hurt on many issues in our country (world) and I don't see why it should be Jesus! It seems that (some) Christians are being "humble and loving" to the degree of not taking a stand...?? Hi, Dan! I’m not sure if it’s matter of not understanding or if there is so much razzle-dazzle that issues becomes convoluted and hard to follow. We certainly don’t need anyone else in the public arena (political or otherwise) who will give Christianity another black eye…it’s to the point that we almost have to add, “…but I’m sincere!”, when we say we’re Christians. Excellent post and I will follow Mike Huckabee more closely… I don’t know that Obama has come right out and admitted he is a Muslim, but wouldn’t that be the ultimate ironic insult at this point in history…?
I am to a point that someone’s feelings are going to get hurt on many issues in our country (world) and I don’t see why it should be Jesus! It seems that (some) Christians are being “humble and loving” to the degree of not taking a stand…??

]]> By: Dan http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-10 Dan Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:00:27 +0000 http://danielseely.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/the-candidate-we-all-want-that-no-one-will-support/#comment-10 I don't pretend to understand the workings of politics, but I just imagine that if conservative evangelicals would band together in support of Huckabee he could really have a shot. In the Roman Empire, slaves were prohibited from wearing any mark to identify them as a slave for fear that the slaves would realize how many of them there were and revolt. If we conservatives would stop believing everything the media tells us could or couldn't happen and voted our consciences and values then maybe we could have a greater impact than we think. Plus, since Hillary is a gun-control advocate, I doubt she'd be bringing a gun to the fight either. :D I don’t pretend to understand the workings of politics, but I just imagine that if conservative evangelicals would band together in support of Huckabee he could really have a shot. In the Roman Empire, slaves were prohibited from wearing any mark to identify them as a slave for fear that the slaves would realize how many of them there were and revolt. If we conservatives would stop believing everything the media tells us could or couldn’t happen and voted our consciences and values then maybe we could have a greater impact than we think.

Plus, since Hillary is a gun-control advocate, I doubt she’d be bringing a gun to the fight either. :D

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